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PostPosted: 15/03/2016 9:53 am    Post subject: 115 New coaches and 50 new diesels Reply with quote

The closure of 2bangkok.com forum have let us foreign railwayfriends miss a lot of information about thai railways. Som questions: when Will the delivery of the 115 New coaches start,and Who long Will the delivery take? Somebody know which train will be the first whith new coaches, and what will be done whith the old a/c sleepingcoaches ?
At last: what about delivery of 50 New diesels ? Will they also be chinesemade? About two years ago I read about plans to invest inn new DMUs for Sprintertrains. Quiet about those. .. Question
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PostPosted: 15/03/2016 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

115 Aircon Passengers - CNR Changchun with the first 2 sets (26 carriages) to be delivered in May 2016

For 50 New Diesel Electric Locos with axle load of 16 tons to allow the retirement of GEK, now there is a controversy as many Democrat men said there is ONLY ONE bidder (CNR Qishuyan - the one who produce 20 DE locos of 20 ton axle load for Laem Chabang cargo) ... while SRT insists that the other producers know that they cannot meet the TOR of SRT.

the next on the line is 186 Diesel Electric MUs just like the ones used in Sri Lanka ... and expect Chinese rolling stock makers to offer the deal SRT would not resist.
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PostPosted: 15/03/2016 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Wisarut. 50 diesellocos from China could be similar to the locos delivered to cementtransport ? 186 dieselelectric DMUs is very interesting: most producers allow hydraulic transmissions on DMUS, few allow Electric transmissions.
It looks like SRT Will be a chinese railwaymarket; nothing bad about that, but what about known breakdowns on the 20 diesellocos on the Eastern line: acceptable or not?
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PostPosted: 16/03/2016 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

maptaphut wrote:
Thank you Wisarut. 50 diesellocos from China could be similar to the locos delivered to cementtransport ? 186 dieselelectric DMUs is very interesting: most producers allow hydraulic transmissions on DMUS, few allow Electric transmissions.
It looks like SRT Will be a chinese railwaymarket; nothing bad about that, but what about known breakdowns on the 20 diesellocos on the Eastern line: acceptable or not?


For the 20 locos from CSR Qishuyan - they are working quite well even though there is a hiccup on the case of sparking incident which has been corrected ... BTW, there was a level crossing accident but SDA-4 loco from CSR Qishuyan hurts very little though while that ten wheel truck got lots of damage

For the SDA-3 purchased by TPI, it is working quite well but I just felt amazed that the producer declines to compete against CSR Qishuyan - probably because they are also from CSR section
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PostPosted: 16/03/2016 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again. Hopefully there will be a god result of this 50 New diesels, SRT ned them as hurry as possible ! I can se that the Sri Lankan S12 DMUS is dieselelectric with powercars equipped with MTU engines. Hopefully they will look better both exterior and interior if they will be chosen for the Thai marked.
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PostPosted: 18/03/2016 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SRT responses to the demands of Big Too by asking to speed up the following 7 double tracking by the end of 2016 as the way of economic stimulation at 240,000 Million Baht after Thanon Jira - Khon Kaen double tracking and Kaeng Khoi - Klong 19 - Chachoengsao double tracking are now under construction

1. Nakhon Pathom - Hua Hin (165 km) at 20,306.53 Million Baht - Almost getting EIA Clearance - wait for final decision from Environmental Board
2. Lopburi - Paknampho (148 km inclding 30 km bypass) at 24,840.54 Million Baht - Almost getting EIA Clearance - wait for final decision from Environmental Board
3. Hua Hin - Prachuab Khirikhan (90 km) at 9,437 Million Baht still drafting EIA
4. Ban Phai - Mahasarakham - Roy Ed - Mukdahan - Nakhon Phanom (347 km) at 66000 Million Baht - New line EIA drafting - and Article 44 to speed up EIA applied here
5. Denchai - Chiang Rai - Chiang Khong (326 km) at 77486 Million Baht - New line EIA drafting - and Article 44 to speed up EIA applied here
6. Map Krabao - Nakhon Ratchasima - Thanon Jira (132 km with the 4 tunnels + via ducts) at 29,853 Million Baht - waiting the approval of bidding result in the next 3 months before sigining the contract
7.Prachuab Khirikhan - Chumporn (167 km - including the new station building for Chumporn North of existing station building) at 17,290 Million Baht - waiting the approval of bidding result in the next 3 months before sigining the contract


Still drafting TOR for PPP on the fillowing High Speed line to be done in April 2016
1. BKK (Lad Krabang) - Pataya - Rayong - 193.5 km at 152,000 Million Baht - the route the owner CP All badly wants
2. BKK (Bangsue Central) - Hua Hin - 211 km at 94,600 Million Baht - the route the owner of Thai Bev badly wants

By the end of March 2016, the 3rd contract of red line commuter (electromechanic + EMUs) on both Bangsue - Rangsit and Bangsue - Talingchan with
MITSUBISHI Heavy Industrial Ltd - Hitachi - Sumitomo Corporation at 32,339 Million Baht will be sign

SRT government hope that the first 2 sets of CNR Changchun aircon carriages (13 carriages per set - totally 115 carriages at 4,668.89 Million Baht)
will be delivered in May 2016 - to be run for SP 1/2 (BKK - Chiang Mai), SP 35/36 (BKK - Hatyai section), EXP 67/68 (BKK - Ubon), EXP 69/70 (BKK - Nong Khai) to
get 1.073 million Passenger with revenue of 1250.9 million Baht

while they bidding for the new 50 Diesel electric locomotives + 120 leased Diesel electric locomotives will be executed soon while 308 BCFs will boost the cargo services despite of economic hard time.
SO far, ONLY CSR Qishuyan are the one who purchase the bidding form for 50 Diesel electric locomotives ... while the 120 leased locomotives are the temporary solution before the massive electrification of the main trunk lines nationwide with a hope to be done within 15 years
http://www.ryt9.com/s/iq05/2385037
http://www.banmuang.co.th/news/economy/43221
http://www.bangkokbiznews.com/news/detail/691096
http://www.ryt9.com/s/iq05/2384917
http://www.prachachat.net/news_detail.php?newsid=1458214882
http://nwnt.prd.go.th/centerweb/news/NewsDetail?NT01_NewsID=TNECO5903170010034
http://www.manager.co.th/iBizChannel/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9590000028097

SRT appealing to cabinet to lift the cabinate resolution on 28 July 1998 whcih limit the new recruits to 5 new railway men to 100 retired railway men to cut down the personnel and human resource expenditure including pension funds
Now, there is 11000 railway men left despite of the demand for 16000 railway men .... or even 17000 railway men - need 5-6000 new locomotive drivers and civil work engineers.

Note: I expect Ministry of Finance to oppose the appeal from SRT to recruit more railway men to the bitter end as MoF (creditors) wants more efficient to the point that 1 railway men must accomplish the things that need 20 railway men to do the same job. So, there should be just 850 railway men to do something like 17000 railway men have done.
http://www.thaiday.com/Home/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9590000027938

on the issue of Chumporn - Surat Thani double tracking, here is the way the stations building must be changed:
1. Renovating 9 Small stations
1.1 Changing the structure and material for the single floor station building (Saeng Daed, Thung Kha, Klong Khanan, Khanthulee, Maluan, and Ban Thung Pho Junction)
1.2 Changing the structure and material for the double floor station building (Khao Suan Thurian)
1.3 Repainting - Lamae and Tha Chang)
2. rebuilding the new station buildings for small stations - Wisai, Thung Tako, Pak Tako, Kuan Hin Mui, Ban Duad, Don Thoob, Khao Phanom Baek, Klong Sai
3. rebuilding the new station buildings for middle size stations - Sawee station and Tha Chana station
4. rebuilding the new station buildings for Large stations at grade - Lang Suan station
5. rebuilding the new station buildings for Large stations as elevated station - Chaiya station
6. partial renovating and partial rebuilding of Large station - Surat Thani station

https://www.facebook.com/ChaiyaStation/posts/570141369819862

Here is how the coupling of the 115 aircon carriage will be in use so it cannot be interchanged with other carriage for sure as it would not use the AAR Type E coupling but using Semi Permanent coupling just like BTS Skytrain - MRTA Subwaty and Airport Link
AAR Type E will be at the Aircon Power car and the end of First Class Aircon - If something gone wrong in one carriage, the whole set has to be cut
https://www.facebook.com/groups/metrotrainloverclub/permalink/924730507645696/
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PostPosted: 04/05/2016 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's see when the first 2 sets have arrived at Laem Chabang around early July 2016 though
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PostPosted: 27/05/2016 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I know right now is that the first set of CNR Changchun aircon carriage (13 carriage) now about shipped from Dalian Port along with the new BCF from CNR Erqie - Depart on 29 May 2016 and it is expected to reach Laem Chabang on 12 June 2016
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1085532194838641&id=222323771159492
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PostPosted: 25/09/2016 10:50 pm    Post subject: Have the new coaches arrived? Reply with quote

Wisarut wrote:
From what I know right now is that the first set of CNR Changchun aircon carriage (13 carriage) now about shipped from Dalian Port along with the new BCF from CNR Erqie - Depart on 29 May 2016 and it is expected to reach Laem Chabang on 12 June 2016
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1085532194838641&id=222323771159492

Hello
Have the new coaches arrived and if so on which line will they be used.
Many thanks for any information.
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PostPosted: 25/09/2016 11:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Have the new coaches arrived? Reply with quote

bzmotman wrote:
Hello
Have the new coaches arrived and if so on which line will they be used.
Many thanks for any information.


Test run of CNR Changchun from Bangkok to Nakhon Pathom before running from Bangkok to Chiang Mai in October 2016 with following rates to be applied as a promotion

BKK - Chiang Mai First class Aircon Sleeper Lower bed 1453 Baht
BKK - Chiang Mai First class Aircon Sleeper Upper bed 1253 Baht
BKK - Chiang Mai Second class Aircon Sleeper Lower bed 881 Baht
BKK - Chiang Mai Second class Aircon Sleeper Upper bed 791 Baht
http://manager.co.th/iBizChannel/ViewNews.aspx?NewsID=9590000086425

Note on the New CRRC Changchun carriages: they will use on the new train which will use the schedule of SP1/2 but with the new code as SP 9/10 while the SP1/2 train will use the schedule of SP 13/14 - and the SP/13/14 will be dissolved so those JR West carriage will be use in Express 51/52 which will use schedule of Rapid 107/108 while Rapid 107/108 will be the last Northern train - this is the way to meet the greater demand for the Northern trains but cannot come early to catch SP 1/2 which depart at 6 PM.

Now, the upcoming special express train to Ubon will be ready in November 2016 and the upcoming special express train to Nong Khai will be ready in December 2016 - with the stops the following stations:

New Ubon special express 23/24 will stop at Bangkok, Samsen, Bangsue, Bangkhen, Laksi, Donmueng, Rangsit, Ayutthaya, Nakhon Ratchasima, Buriram, Surin, Sisaket, and Ubon

New Nong Khai special express 25/26 will stop at Bangkok, Samsen, Bangsue, Bangkhen, Laksi, Donmueng, Rangsit, Ayutthaya, Khon Kaen, Udonthani, and Nong Khai

For the new Special Express 45/46 from BKK to to Hatyai using CNR Changchun carriages, it will stop for passengers at Bangkok, Samsen, Bangsue, Salaya, Nakhon Pathom, Hua Hin Chumporn, Surat Thani, Thung Song, Phatthalung, and Hatyai though

When SRT is going to introduce CNR Changchun to Special express trains, the following trains will have to be changed for a good reason
1. No more Rapid 107 BKK - Denchai
2. No more Rapid 108 Denchai - BKK
3. No more Express 73 BKK - Sikhoraphum
4. No more Express 74 Sisaket - BKK
5. No more Special Express 37 BKK - Sugei Golok
6. No more Special Express 38 Sugei Golok - BKK
7. Express 71 BKK - Sisaket extended to become Express 71 BKK - Ubon
8. Express 72 Sikhoraphum- BKK extended to become Express 72 Ubon - BKK
9. Special Express 35 BKK - Padang Besar become BKK - Sugei Golok
10. Special Express 36 Padang Besar - BKK become Sugei Golok - BKK
11. Shuttle trains Hatyai - Padang Besar will be the one that cross the border after changing in SP 35/36
12. there is still a big headache for dealing with BKK - Nong Khai to gain more passengers

However, we better wait until the final schedule has been issued though.
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